Part 80m - 8 Merrifield Records - Great-Grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson - Thank You

30 September 2009

Thank you,

Just a thank you for the visits and page views to my Blog about my family genealogy and our quilting this past month. Visits for September as compared to August were up by 67%. Page Views increased over the same period be 114%. (My apologies, but that's the banker in me.)



As a follow up to Part 74m, I discovered great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson's birth, baptism, weddings banns, marriage, and death entries.

Her Birth Registration follows:


1856 Birth Entry
Sources: FreeBMD, UK and General Register Office, UK



Transcribed -
CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF BIRTH GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE
Application Number PAS 820429/2


REGISTRATION DISTRICT Shoreditch
1856 BIRTH in the Sub-District of Hoxton New Town in the County of Middlesex


No. 149
When and where born - Twenty fourth January 1856, 10 Wenlock Terrace
Name, if any - Elizabeth Charlotte

Sex - Girl

Name and surname of father - John Merrifield

Name, surname and maiden surname of mother - Esther Merrifield formerly Bailey
Occupation of father -- Carpenter Journeyman

Signature, description and residence of informant - John Merrifield Father 10 Wenlock Terrace Hoxton New Town
When registered - Twenty eighth February 1856

Signature of registrar - G. W. Ausell

Name entered after registration -


CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Births in the District above mentioned.

I just this week discovered great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson's baptismal entry. It's the 5th entry on the page.


1870 Baptism Register
Sources: London Metropolitan Archives, UK and Ancestry.co.uk

Transcribed -
Page 253

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Holy Trinity Hoxton in the County of Middlesex in the Year of 1870


When Baptised. 1870 16 March. -- 24 Jany 1856 No. 2021
Child's Christian Name. Elizabeth Charlotte
Parent's Name.
Christian. John & Esther

Surname. Merrifield
Abode. 10 Wenlock Terrace
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Carpenter
By whom the Ceremony was performed. B. H. Alford

As you can calculate from the entry, great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte was 14 years old when she was baptized. This age element definitely makes a difference when you are searching for the actual copy of the baptism entry.

Then following, and most recently, I was able to find both her and great-grandfather Alexander Pirie Robertson's Banns of Marriage and Registration.

First the Banns of Marriage -


1880 Marriage Banns
Sources: London Metropolitan Archives, UK and Ancestry.co.uk

Transcribed -
Page 42 The Year 1880

No 126 Banns of Marriage between
Alexander Pirie Robertson

and
Elizabeth Charlotte Merrifield

St. Pauls? of Shoreditch
Were published, as follows:
1st, on Sunday April 11 by GWA
2d, on Sunday " 18 by GWA 15/5/80

3d, on Sunday " 25 by GWA

And I would presume that the added 15/5/80 represents the actual date of marriage as indicated in the following Marriage Registration


1880 Marriage Registration
Sources: FreeBMD, UK and General Register Office, UK

My transcription -
CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF MARRIAGE GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE
Application Number PAS 811712


1880. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Holy Trinity Hoxton in the County of Middlesex

No. 487
When Married. 15th Mary 1880
Name and Surname. Alexander Pirie Robertson, Elizabeth Charlotte Merrifield

Age. 25, 24
Condition. Bachelor, Spinster
Rank of Profession. Ware houseman
Residence at the time of Marriage. 11 Parr St., 10 Wenlock Terrace
Father's Name and Surname. John Robertson, John Merrified (decd)
Rank or Profession of Father. Moulder, Carpenter

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church, by - or after Banns by me, Bradley Hurst Alford

This Marriage was solemnized between us, Alexander Pirie Robertson, Elizabeth Charlotte Merrifield


in the Presence of us, Thomas Robertson, William Henry Smith, John Leggett, Harriett Alice Merrifield

CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a register of Marriages in the Registration District of Shoreditch

And the final document I found is the registration of her passing on the 20th Jun 1926.


1926 Death Entry
Sources: FreeBMD, UK and General Register Office, UK


Transcription -
CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF DEATH GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE
Application Number COL322126


No. 79
When and where died Twentieth June 1926 96 Alexandra Park Road UD

Name and surname Elizabeth Charlotte Robertson
Sex Female
Age 71 Years
Occupation Wife of Alexander Pirie Robertson an Accountant Clerk
Cause of death (1) Lobar Pneumonia 10 days (2) Syncope Certified by John Paxton LRCP

Signature, description and residence of informant W.T. Robertson Son Present at the death 156 Muswell Hill Road Muswell Hill

When registered Twenty first June
Signature of registrar K. Stacey

CERTIFIED to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a Register of Deaths in the District above mentioned.

And three more documents to include are the Index copies referencing great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte's birth, marriage and death... all found at various sites on the Internet: FreeBMD; Ancestry.co.uk; and Findmypast.com. These are the Index pages that assisted me to locate the above displayed registration entries. Respectively her Birth, Marriage, and Death.


Eight documents and index pages... A wealth of knowledge discovered of great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte's 71 years.

Please feel free to send me an email or comment directly on this Blog. Also, please send me any image and/or copy of any photograph, document or information relating to our family that could enhance this collection. Also, please feel free to contact me to ask whether I may or may not have documentation for an ancestor of interest.

Enjoy,

Jim

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This Is My Tangent - Nothing about Genealogy or Quilts or Cooking...

29 September 2009


This morning it's nothing about genealogy or quilts or cooking. It's about me.

My ingenuity sometimes amazes me!

This early morning, at the ungodly hour of 4:30 I was immediately awaken by the sound of what I thought was distant barking. And no other creature in the house stirred. As I arose I did a head check. All four dogs, Tobi, Taylor, Bella, and Tinker were on the bed sound asleep... (Yeah, that's right, all four sleep in the bed.) Going through my head was "No, I do not... No I can not take in another dog! Period!" But then I heard it again. It really sounded like a dog barking, muffled in the distance, or is some bag somewhere. Well, I started to turn on all the lights. All the lights in the house. All the lights on the outside. I went to the garage. I checked the backyard, the patio, the front and back room closets. I couldn't find the source of the barking.

In my search I was waiting for the the flashing of the red rescue lights, just like I've seen so many other times in the years that I've lived in this house. My mind then formulated the possibility that there may be someone calling at the front door... and that has happened a number of times before, as in the case of the neighbor who set her house on fire when she was frying chicken and she came a-running to me and my house screaming "Jim, Jim, Jim, help me! My house! My baby! My chicken!" And I couldn't find anything. I couldn't find the source of the sound, the source of the muffled barking.

And then it hit me. The cause of the barking had to me. No, I do not bark in my sleep! I wasn't dreaming. I was awake when I heard it the third time. Everyone was awake. I remembered that I had had a great idea, that never worked. Obviously... sort of.

I had changed the alarm on my HP iPaq, my mobile PC phone with the hopeful intention that once if it sounded I could guarantee that I would get up. I had changed the alarm sound to the sound of a dog barking, one of my dogs barking. My idea was that the sound of a dog barking would wake the dogs, they would bark, hence I would get up. No problem! Only problem was that this early morning, none of the dogs reacted... neither did they even utter one responding bark. Just me... I got up. The alarm worked, sort of. The only issue is that I hadn't set it to go off this morning. I hadn't set the alarm to go off but for four months ago. So my question is, Who or what set off my barking alarm?

Yup, my brilliance sometimes even amazes me. It has to, cause it certainly doesn't even move the dogs.

Enjoy.

Jim
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Part 79s - Smith Records - Granduncle Ivan Grayham Webster Smith - Birth and Baptism

28 September 2009

And I continue tonight, on the heels of Part 78s, I'm Dancing With My Ancestors...


The third set of entries are of granduncle Ivan Grayham Webster Smith. Granduncle was great-grandparents William James and Ella Margaret Louise (née Scott) Smith's second child and son, based on the information I have located. The Register entry is the fifth entry on the inserted Page 282.

1881 Baptism Register
Sources: Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada and Family History Library, FHL [1523656] Parish Registers, 1784-1971, Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada

Transcribed --
Page 282

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Saint George
in the Colony of Grenada in the Year 1881

Born 5 Nov. 1881 J.A.A.

When Baptised. 1881 Dec. 7th No. 26105
Child's Christian Name. Ivan Grayham Webster
Parent's Name.
Christian Wm. J. & E. M. L.
Surname. Smith
Abode. Town of St. George
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Merchant
By whom the Ceremony was performed. Jas Alex Anton Rector



1881 Civil Birth Register
Sources: Registrar General, Ministry of Health, St. George's, Grenada,
and
Family History Library, FHL [1523169]
Civil registration, 1866-1940, Grenada



Transcribed --

No. Register of Births in District of St. George in Grenada for the Year 1881

Brought forward

No. of Entry 3758
Date of Registration 1881 November 16
Name of the Child (if any). "
Sex. Male. 1 Female " Total 1
Date of the event registered. 1881 November 5
Place, or in whose house the event occurred. Hospital Street
Names of Parents of the Infant registered. W. J. Smith wife E. M. L.
Name of party giving the information. Hubert L. Scott?
Remarks and Observations. Legt. vac: notice

I wonder if the party giving the information is one of great-grandmother Ella Margaret Louise's brothers, great-granduncle Hubert Scott? I can't make out the name completely, but at my first glance, it appears to be Hubert L. Scott. I wonder what the "L" stands for? I wonder if grandfather Hubert Lloyd Smith was named for his mother's, great-grandmother Ella's brother? I wonder if this is the origin of the name "Lloyd"? Lot of wonders... I've just got to keep searching.

Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 78s - Smith Records - Granduncle William Kenneth Colthirst Smith - Birth and Baptism

Evening,

Following Part 77s, the next set of documents belong to was granduncle William Kenneth Colthirst Smith. He was the eldest son of great-grandparents William James and Ella Margaret Louise (née Scott) Smith.



1879 Baptism Register
Sources: Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada and
Family History Library, FHL [1523656] Parish Registers, 1784-1971,
Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada


Transcribed --
Page 272

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Saint George
in the Colony of Grenada in the Year 1879

Born 3 Dec 1879 J.A.A.

When Baptised. 1879 Dec 31st No. 2623

Child's Christian Name. William Kenneth Colthirst

Parent's Name.
Christian William James & Ella Margaret Louise
Surname. Smith
Abode. Town of St. George
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Merchant
By whom the Ceremony was performed. Jas Alex Anton Rector



1879 Civil Birth Register
Sources: Registrar General, Ministry of Health, St. George's, Grenada, and
Family History Library, FHL [1523169]
Civil registration, 1866-1940, Grenada


This copy was extremely dark on the microfilm and the condition of the actual document makes the transcription somewhat a challenge.

Transcribed --
No. Register of Births ______ ______ ______ (in District of) St. George _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ (in Grenada for the Year 1879)

Brought forward

No. of Entry 2007
Date of Registration 1879 Dec _____
Name of the Child (if any). "
Sex. Male. 1 Female " Total 1
Date of the event registered. 1879 Dec 3
Place, or in whose house the event occurred. _____ _____
Names of Parents of the Infant registered. William James Smith & Ella Margaret Louise his wife
Name of party giving the information. William Smith
Remarks and Observations.

Next Part 79s - Smith Records - Granduncle Ivan Grayham Webster Smith.

Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 77s -Smith Records - Grandfather Hubert Lloyd - Birth and Baptism - Okra

Afternoon,

As you can see I've changed the title of my Blog to Genealogy, A Treasure Hunt - Family Records Search & Research... with a sub-title of Smith, Scott, Abraham, July, Robertson, Merrifield, Goodey, Crossley... and Quilts. I figured if you're looking for this Blog you're definitely not going to be searching in Google or Yahoo or Bing or AOL for JKL Smith. Just leave me out of the equation.

Well I picked the okra from my farm yesterday, with the intention of deep-frying them, in slices. It worked, except for one thing. In some of the slices it was almost like chewing on corn-husks, you know, crunching down on the tough exoskeleton of some crawly bug. I was trying to avoid the slime-ing of okra and instead I got something else. T'weren't very appetizing. And I just read that the okras, (again not sure about the plural), should be about the size of my thumb otherwise they would be too tough. Well hell, my okras were at least six inches, and all from one bush/tree, and they looked so good and fresh. It means that I would have to grow a forest to get enough to make a fair size serving. Mr. Green-Jeans won't be growing okra this fall.

The search for documents and paperwork continues... and continues, and continues.

This afternoon's genealogy treasures include both baptism entries and civil birth registrations. As the Grenada Civil Registrations do not include the name of the infant, I have to find the related baptism entry from the Parish Register to corroborate the information and determine who is who from the Civil Register entry.

The first is grandfather Hubert Lloyd Smith.

The first, the third son of William James and Ella Margaret Louise (née Scott) Smith, is grandfather Hubert Lloyd Smith. His baptism and birth entries follow.

Grandfather Hubert Lloyd baptismal entry is one of the four entries on the page. The other three; Irene Rosamond, Donald Wolsley, and Victor Arnold, including grandfather Hubert Lloyd were 2nd cousins and all baptised on the same day.



1883 Baptism Register
Sources: Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada,
and Family History Library,
FHL [1523656] Parish Registers, 1784-1971,
Anglican Church, Parish of St. George, Grenada


Transcribed --
Page 296

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Saint George
in the Colony of Grenada in the Year 1883

Born 6 Oct 1883 J.A.A.

When Baptised. 1883 Nov 8th No. 161645
Child's Christian Name. Hubert Lloyd
Parent's Name.
Christian William James & Ella M. L.
Surname. Smith
Abode. Town of St. George
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Merchant
By whom the Ceremony was performed. Jas Alex Anton Rector



1883 Civil Birth Register
Source: Registrar General, Ministry of Health, St. George's, Grenada,
and Family History Library, FHL [1523169] Civil registration,
1866-1940, Grenada

Transcribed --
No. Register of Births in District of St. George in Grenada for the Year 1883

Brought forward

No. of Entry 4595
Date of Registration. 1883 October 13
Name of the Child (if any). "
Sex. Male. 1 Female " Total 1
Date of the event registered. 1883 October 6
Place, or in whose house the event occurred. Hospital Street
Names of Parents of the Infant registered. William Jas Smith & wife Ella Margt
Name of party giving the information. N. A. Martin?
Remarks and Observations. Legt. Vac: Notice


Parts 78s and 79s to follow. Birth and Baptism records for grandfather Hubert Lloyd Smith's older two brothers: granduncle William Colthirst and Ivan Grayham Webster Smith.

Gone for a bit,

Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 76g - Grandmother Madge (née Goodey) Robertson - GGGGG-Grandfather Joseph Goodey Descendant Chart

27 September 2009

Morning,

Today I thought I would just sit back and take a calmer approach to my postings. I spent a part of this morning bleaching the front walkway and the back deck, which had been covered with very slippery black and various other molds.

I have so much detail and data, photographs, images, and files that I wonder if this has turned into a full-time job. Of course it has! There is just so much to get down and record that I, at times, forget that there may be other things to do. But as this has become a passion I can't see myself doing anything else in the major part of my day.

And this morning, I thought I would start and create a quick post to my grandmother Madge (néé Goodey) Robertson.

Moma, as I knew her, was born the 16th of February 1891 at 36 Belfield Old Road, in Rochdale. The red A marker on the inserted Google map pinpoints the approximate center of Belfield Old Road today in 2009.



Rochdale today is in Lancashire and is about a 12-mile walk north-northeast of the city of Manchester.

A month after she was born, her registration, dated 16 March 1891 was recorded in the Counties of Rochdale and Lancaster. Check out A Vision of Britain Through Time website for the Gazetteer entry for Rochdale.



1891 Entry of Birth
Source: The General Register Office, England

She was the eldest daughter of great-grandparents Joseph and Mary Alice (née Crossley) Goodey. Her younger siblings were grandaunt Claris/Clarice and granduncle Cyril Crossley Goodey. (Please note that I include as many spellings of names as I find on my source documents.)

Grandmother Madge (née Goodey) married grandfather Frederick Henry Robertson on the 5th of December 1912 in West Ham, in England. They did have 11 children.

I have included a new Joseph Goodey Descendant Chart. This Joseph Goodey would have been Moma's great-great-great, or my five-times great-grandfather. (And as always my Ancestral Line depictions are works in progress.)



I hope to get a couple of new quilts posted today.

Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 75r - Is This Great-Grandaunt Agnes Robertson At 40? - A New Birth Registration and Two Baptismal Entries.

26 September 2009

Afternoon,

It rained here last night, and I watched the street flood to at least a foot beyond the sidewalk above the easement. Also, the water in the pool rose to just under the deck lip. I was a bit concerned hearing of the news of the deluge in Georgia. This morning the street was clear and the pool is still high, and there's more chance of rain predicted for this afternoon and evening. I'll have to get out the water-wings. And this morning we attacked and cleared a bit more of the jungle on the side of the house.

I've updated the Robertson Descendant Chart and added the new Merrifield one in the left-hand column. The tally is now four charts of eight. The ones to come: Scott, Abraham, Goodey, and Crossley. Stay tuned.

I'm trying to decide whether or not to recreate this Blog as a website. My main thought is the movement to and access of my different ancestral lines. With eight definitive lines, as well as the other families that I research, it does make sense to have some sort of structural organization that one could follow with some sort of ease. I'll keep thinking, in both English and French. Any thoughts? I know I have the time.

But before I get myself lost along another train of thought, and down a different branch of my family tree, let me get back to my discussions on the Agneses. (I still do not know what would be a correct plural form of the name Agnes. Anyone?)

Part 73r was the last discussion on great-grandaunt Agnes and now comes the part where I, we may have to look at the sources, and make some decisions. I have presented her life from birth and two-months old in 1841, (Parts 68r and 69r), to when she was 10, (Part 71r), to 20 years old (Part 72r) and to her 30th year in 1871, (Part 73r).

I discovered in a page of the 1881 England Census an Agnes Miller Robertson... and this lady may just fit the bill and be great-grandaunt Agnes.



1881 England Census
Sources: The National Archives, UK, Amazon.co.uk, and findmypast.com

From the 1881 Census the transcribed information is -
Page 34] The undermentioned Houses are situate with the Boundaries of the

Civil Parish [or Township] of Marylebone of Portland Place
Parliamentary Borough of Marylebone
Ecclesiastical Parish or District of Trinity

No. of Schedule 108
ROAD, STREET, &c., and No., or NAME of HOUSE 140 Harley
HOUSES Inhabited 1
NAME and Surname of each Person Agnes Miller Robertson
RELATION to Head of Family do (Serv)
CONDITION as to Marriage do (Unmar)
AGE last Birthday of Female 40
Rank, Profession, or OCCUPATION Nurse
WHERE BORN North Shields Northumd

As you can see the name of this person, Agnes Miller Robertson, is the same, with the exception of the addition of a middle name, Miller. Her marital status of Unmar(ried) follows her situation when she was 30. The age of 40 works when compared to the definite information in the 1871 Census. The occupation is different; a Nurse at 40 as compared to a Bonnet Maker when she was 20 and 30 years old. But the birth location is right on, North Shields, Northum(berland). So, the question is: Is this great-grandaunt Agnes, daughter of great-great-grandfather John Robertson?

Why all of a sudden does the middle name of Miller appear? It definitely was not included on her 1841 Birth Registration nor the 1841 Birth Index; see the Certified Copy and the Index in Part 68r. It's never used in the 1841, 1851, 1861, or 1871 Censuses. But, I think the clue that may steer me to believing that it may be great-grandaunt is the middle name of "Miller".

Here are my reasons:

1. Great-great-grandfather John Robertson's mother's maiden name was Miller. She was ggg-grandmother Agnes (née Miller) Robertson. My source is of the Old Parochial Register of the birth registration of gg-grandfather John born the 30th of September 1805.



1805 Old Parochial Register
Source: Scotlands People


Transcribed -
Extract of entries in an OLD PAROCHIAL REGISTER
Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriage (Scotland) Act 1965, s.47 69943

Parish of Glasgow County of Lanark

276 Glasgow 29th September 1805.

Robertson

Thomas Robertson, Weaver & Agnes Miller, a L. Son, John, bo: 30th
Witn: William, & John Dudgeon.

2. Great-grandaunt Agnes' half-brother, great-granduncle Thomas who was born 28 June 1853, see his Birth Registration in Part 72r, and was baptised the 7th of August 1853, Thomas Miller Robertson. I just discovered the baptismal registration!



1853 Parish Register Baptism
Sources: London Metropolitan Archives, London, UK, and Ancestry.co.uk


Transcribed -
Page 25

BAPTISMS administered in the District Chapelry of Christ Church Hoxton
in the County of Middlesex in the Year of 1853

When Baptised. 1853 August 7 born 28 June 1853 No. 196
Child's Christian Name. Thomas Miller
Parent's Name.
Christian. John & Margaret
Surname. Robertson
Abode. 27 Forston Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Iron moulder
By whom the Sacrament was administered. William Henry Milmans?

And those are two possible reasons that could lead me to believe that the Agnes Miller Robertson on the 1881 Census may be great-grandaunt Agnes. Her grandmother was Agnes (née Miller) Robertson and her half-brother was Thomas Miller Robertson. Of course, I've got to track down great-grandaunt Agnes' baptismal record, if one does exist. I have just found a possible date of 2 May 1841 entered into the International Genealogical Index. I wonder if I can find her on an 1891 or later census? Also, where and when did she pass away?

As a bonus I was also able to stumble upon great-grandfather Alexander Pirie Robertson's 1855 baptismal entry.



1855 Parish Register Baptism
Sources: London Metropolitan Archives, London, UK and Ancestry.co.uk


Transcribed -
Page 57

BAPTISMS solemnized in the District Chapelry of Christ Church Hoxton
in the County of Middlesex in the Year of 1855

When Baptised. 1855 June 24 born 21 Feby 1853 No. 454
Child's Christian Name. Alexander Pirie
Parent's Name.
Christian. John & Margaret
Surname. Robertson
Abode. 11 Parr Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Iron moulder
By whom the Sacrament was administered. William Henry Milmans?

And with that I close for right now.

Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 74m - William Merrifield Descendant Chart - Great-Grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson

25 September 2009

Again hello,

This afternoon, I thought I would add the 4th Descendant Chart of my Ancestral Lines, my Merrifield line. My Merrifield Line is of my great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson. To delineate, great-grandmother Elizabeth Charlotte was my mother's father's mother.



(Elizabeth Charlotte (née Merrifield) Robertson)


To see other postings, albeit mention of the name Merrifield, in my Blog, click on the Surname Label Merrifield in the left-hand column.

And the William Merrifield Descendant Chart is...




This information now is just to whet-your-whistle... and of course, there is a method to my madness when I mention whetting whistles...

Make sure you check the updates. Please free to comment, ask questions, and point out my key-punch errors.

Enjoy.

Jim
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Part 73r - 1871 Great-Grandaunt Agnes Robertson Is Now 30 - A Bonnet Maker

Morning,

It's 1871, and following up from Part 72r, great-grandaunt Agnes is still a part of the Robertson household at 11 Parr Street. And here's where I get a bit confused as to how to refer to the exact location of the residence. The 1871 Census enumerates the Road, Street, &c., and No. or Name of House at 11 Parr St., but it's the overlying...
  • Civil Parish [or Township] - St. Leonard, Shoreditch, and/or
  • Municipal Ward of - Wenlock, and/or
  • Parliamentary Borough of - Hackney, and/or
  • Ecclesiastical District of - Christ Church, Hoxton,

This befuddles me. How would I address an envelope if I wanted to send great-grandaunt Agnes a letter? And where does the city and/or county of London, and/or the county of Middlesex enter the picture? It gets even more confusing in 2009 when I try to enter the information into a fixed genealogy database wizard. There's just not enough data entry points or labels.

And just some thoughts and observations of the 1871 England Census page.



1871 England Census
Source - The National Archives, London, England and Ancestry.co.uk

Great-great-grandfather John, now 65 years old has changed his occupation. He is now a "Porter in Warehouse". Great-grandaunt Agnes' has continued to be a "Bonnet Maker", while it appears that great-granduncle Thomas and great-grandfather Alexander are out of school and have become a "Cabinet maker" and "Clerk", respectively. Great-granduncle William is no longer at home, and currently I have not been able to track him down any further. And I've sort of given up on looking for great-grandaunt Agnes' older sister, great-grandaunt Margaret Ann.

Being a would-be statistician and always curious I wondered about great-grandaunt Agnes' calling as a "Bonnet Maker" in 1861, (right insert 1860 Bonettas), and 1871, (left insert Peterson's Walking Dress and Bonnet, 1870). My first thought was to start searching the Internet with possible reference to Bonnet Makers and Bonnet Making in the 19th Century.

At a site "The Victorian Web" I thought I had had pay-dirt with some information that had been "compiled from Parliamentary Papers 1852-3, 1863, and 1873". I immediately scanned for "Bonnet Maker", and or something similar, and I discovered that the numbers for Bonnet Makers did not exist for 1871. The results for "Straw hat and bonnet maker" were "1851 - 21,901"; "1861 - 18,176"; and "1871 - ---".

Well, I guess you can't always believe everything you find on the Internet... Or is it, you can't always believe in every statistic pulled together from governmental sources? I know this is at least one... Great-grandaunt Agnes Robertson. From the 1871 England Census, supposedly the same source for this occupation number study, I read "Agnes do (Robertson) - Bonnet maker". Enough said!

And to continue, my search and research of my aunts named Agnes, who are at various points of my collateral lines, have given me the opportunity to find new data and information on other family members and of my Robertson blood line. Just last night I was surprised at the new documentation I chanced upon.

More to come.


Enjoy,

Jim

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Part xxr - Bulletins

24 September 2009

From page 1771 and 1772








Rest of Entry goes here!
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Part 72r - 1861 Great-Grandaunt Agnes Robertson at 20 - Two New GGG-Grandfathers and Some More Cousins.

23 September 2009


And this genealogy just keeps me writing. (Sorry, updated correction... keeps me typing.)

Great-grandaunt Agnes Robertson is now 20 years old. It's 1861 and she is living at home at 11 Parr Street, in the Parish of St. Leonard in Shoreditch. In Part 71r, the 1851 home address was 10 Parr Street. Did the Robertson family move? Or were the numbers on the doors changed? The Ecclesiastical District of Christ Church Hoxton is the same.

The members of the Robertson household included:

  • Great-great-grandfather John, at 55 years. He is listed again, as an Iron Moulder, and he was born in Scotland.
  • Great-great-grandmother Margeret, at 48 years. This is the Margeret from Warrington, Lancashire. (In 1851 is was from Yorkshire. A quick read details that there appears to be a number of boundary changes between Lancashire and Yorkshire.)
  • Great-grandaunt Agnus, is single and 20 years old. Her occupation now is Bonnett Maker and her birth location is indicated as North Shields, Northumd. This is definitely Great-grandaunt Agnes. (It's amazing how many different spellings of the name Agnes I've come across so far.)
  • Great-granduncle William. He's 15 years old and following in the steps of his father, as he is also listed as an Iron Moulder. His birth location is confirmed as Liverpool, Lancashire.
  • Great-granduncle Thomas is 7 years old, a Scholar and was born in Shoreditch, Middlesex, and
  • Great-grandfather Alexander, is a year younger at 6 years old. He is also a Scholar and was born, as well in Shoreditch.
The only one missing from the household is great-great-grandfather John's eldest daughter Margaret. (To date I have noticed two spellings of the name Margaret.)



1861 England Census

Source -
The National Archives, London, England
and Ancestry.co.uk



The 1861 Census at 11 Parr St., in Shoreditch, now tells that the Robertson family continued living in the same area through at least 22 years later with the 1883 birth of great-grandaunt Agnes' niece, grandaunt Agnes Harriett, (see Part 67r).

That's when I started looking through the birth registrations that I have on file of great-grandaunt Agnes Robertson's three brothers: great-granduncle William Donnison; great-granduncle Thomas; and great-grandfather Alexander Pirie.




1845 Birth Registration - William Donnison Robertson
Father - John Robertson; Mother - Margaret (née Donnison) Robertson


Source: General Register Office, England


1853 Birth Registration - Thomas Robertson
Father - John Robertson; Mother - Margaret (née Magwire) Robertson

Source: General Register Office, England


1855 Birth Registration - Alexander Pirie Robertson
Father - John Robertson; Mother - Margaret (née Maguire) Robertson

Source: General Register Office, England

All three's mothers on the Birth Registrations were named Margaret. It's the Margaret's maiden names that produces a difference. Great-great-grandfather John Robertson had two wives. First Margaret Donnison, the mother of great-grandaunts Margaret and Agnes and great-granduncle William; the second, Margaret Megwire, the mother of great-granduncle Thomas and great-grandfather Alexander.

Great-grandaunt Agnes Robertson's mother Margaret (née Donnison) must have passed away sometime between 1845 and 1849. I say 1849 as I was able to find the Marriage Registration of great-grandfather John Robertson and his second wife, great-grandmother Margaret Megwire.



1849 Marriage Registration
John Robertson and Margaret Megwire

Source: General Register Office, England

Great-great-grandparents John and Margaret (née Megwire) Robertson were married at the District Parish Church of St. John the Baptist, Hoxton in Middlesex.

And now there is a surname spelling difference between Magwire, Maguire, and Megwire.

In the Marriage Registration we are introduced to my two great-great-great-grandfathers: Thomas Robertson and Thomas Megwire.

But wait, look at the listing of the family at 10 Parr Street in the 1861 Census above - William Robertson and his unnamed wife and their two sons Henry and William. And William, the senior's birth location is listed as Hamilton, Scotland. Coincidental? And another coincidence... My grandfather Frederick Robertson's middle name was Henry. Bingo!

What can I say? Make sure you check back. Still more to come on great-grandaunt Agnes. Remember my Blog address - http://agenealogyhunt.blogspot.com/.

And one thing I ask, if you would like to use any of the information in any of the postings in my Blog, please give credit where credit is due.

Thanks, and Enjoy,

Jim
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Part 71r - 1851, Great-Grandaunt Agnes Robertson Is Now 10 - Some Blog-Keeping Changes

22 September 2009


Afternoon,

At times I feel like Cervantes' Don Quixote and my elusive ancestors are my windmills. Am I tilting at windmills? But... my windmills are not imaginary... just at times, difficult to pin down.

(Illustration 6 for Miguel de Cervantes' Don Quixote by Gustave Doré. 1863)

Just a note, I've made some minor changes to my Blog page. The "Search This Blog" box is now at the upper left. I reconfigured the "Surname Labels" and the "Blog Archive" links to free up some space and help with navigation. I have removed the "Reference Library" for now. Also, I have added a "Quilts by esSBee" section. This new section allows you to see a quick overview of thumbnails of the quilts that we have posted. Check them out.

The next appearance in my genealogical research of the Robertson family and of great-grandaunt Agnes is as a 10-year old in the 1851 Census at 10 Parr St., in Shoreditch, England.

I'm following up to Part 69r.

She is registered as a "Scholar", as is her five year-old brother, great-granduncle William. Per John Marius Wilson's Imperial Gazeteer of England and Wales (1870-72), there were 195 schools in 1851, in Shoreditch. And that would be quite a search, whether it be for 40 windmills or the proverbial "needle in a haystack".

But the problem here, 10 years later, is that the 1851 Census has her mother Margaret's birth place entered differently as it was in the 1841 Census; Warrington, in Yorkshire versus North Shields, in Tynemouth, Northumberland. Well Warrington is in Yorkshire which is about 190 miles or 305.8 kms away from North Shields in Northumberland, and that would be one heck of a mistake by the enumerator(s) or something definitely is different. (See the inserted map. The Marker A is at Tynemouth and the Marker B is at Warrington.)

And does that mean that there could be two Margarets? And not only am I perplexed by two possible Margarets, there is the definite entry of great-grandaunt Agnes' elder sister, great-grandaunt Margaret A. or Margaret Ann, in the 1851 and 1841 Censuses, respectively. (See Part 69r.)

The 1851 Census had also increased the family members by one, great-granduncle William. His birth year can be approximated to 1846 and the place where he was born is listed as Liverpool.

Please note, that in keeping with the discussion of great-great-grandfather John's occupation in Part 70r his occupation is now listed as "Iron Founder".

I'll put it on hold right here. Next entry - Great-grandaunt Agnes at 20 years. Also check out Q6 for the posting of the Old Albert quilt.

Enjoy the evening. I'm trying Portuguese Caldo Verde.

Jim
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Part 70r - Great-Great-Grandfather John Robertson, An Iron Moulder?

21 September 2009

Evening,

Tonight's supper - shrimp, zucchini, onion, fiddle-heads, tomato sauce, and pasta. T'weren't bad.

And my question in Part 69r, "What pray tell is an 'Iron Moulder'?"

I would like to know. My great-great-grandfather John Robertson is listed, in the 1841 Census of England and Wales, as an "Iron Moulder".

I found a definition at the Hall Genealogy Website; Old Occupation Names and it states "Made moulds for casting iron". Well this teacher and banker still hasn't got the vision of what gg-grandfather John Robertson did, expect I have a picture of some sweaty dude pouring red-hot liquid into some pot on a long handle over an extremely hot fire. So?

At Scots Family, Scottish occupations, the definition given is "Iron foundry worker who poured molten iron from furnace into moulds". A bit more elaborated... The next, link at Parishmouse provided a bit more substance "A foundry worker who produced the sand moulds from wooden patterns into which the moulten iron was poured to produce a cast metal/iron object." But Jeff who posted at a message board, Occupations (General) at Ancestry.com provides a fair and detailed discussion:
An iron moulder made moulds from which castings were made,

An iron founder founds or casts iron using moulds, and

An artisan is a skilled person.

As an Artisan he would progress to learn more skills and therefore earn better pay.

To make moulds that work one would need to know how molten iron flowed and cooled. What better way to learn about the mistakes of the moulder than to cast the material. A moulder was higher paid than the founder.

Once he possessed both skills he could change employment or employer as the available work waxed and waned or even his age and health allowed.


1873 Banner for Iron Moulders Society of Victoria, Australia




The Iron Moulders, a stained glass window by Stephen Adam, c 1878
Glasgow City Council, Glasgow Museums

Next installment, great-grandaunt Agnes at 10 years of age.

Enjoy,

Jim
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